NAIAS Day 2 – Honda Insight, Toyota Prius, Lexus HS250h, Vol


Day two from the 2009 North American International Auto Show in Detroit! Hosted by the one, the only, Carrie Milbank!

25 comments to NAIAS Day 2 – Honda Insight, Toyota Prius, Lexus HS250h, Vol

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  • EnigmaNZ1

    They do, in Europe, half the cars sold there are diesel. In the US they seem to prefer petrol, so a petrol hybrid was seen as the way to go. But it probably wouldn’t sell well in Europe as its a complicated way to save fuel when a diesel can do better and car buyers like diesels. Europe will get the first diesel hybrids, then we will see incredible fuel misers.

  • R6VIIshooter

    so why not get a diesel instead of the hybrid?
    save money on the car and on the fuel

  • EnigmaNZ1

    We had the same problem here in NZ until recently, too much sulfur in the local diesel so the latest diesels couldn’t be sold here. Diesel here is a little cheaper than petrol, always has been. Combined with much better milage makes good sense for high milage drivers, but do cost more to purchase.

  • EnigmaNZ1

    In the early 1800s a minister in britain came up with the stirling engine that was safer and more efficient than the steam engines of the period. In the mid 1800s the stirling was improved with a heat recovery system. Haven’t we come a long way lol.

  • EnigmaNZ1

    The car is bigger than the corolla, its even bigger than the small Lexus, the LS250. Saw that in a comparison report recently, surprised me as I thought it looked smaller.

  • EnigmaNZ1

    Remember that petrol ICE are way less than 30% efficient, back in the ’60s they were under 20%. Computers, fuel infection, better materials allowing hotter running etc mean every year engines become more powerful as well as more economical. Eg the Nissan 300Z had a 3L turbo injected V6 making about 165Kw, today a 3L V6 routinely makes better than 170Kw without the turbo with much better gas milage. Diesels are more efficient again, well over 30% and some low speed kinds as high as 45%.

  • EnigmaNZ1

    The problem I think is in the testing. Hybrids are at their best stopping and starting where a normal vehicle can half its gas milage. On the open road the advantage drops off as they are running on petrol almost all of the time so are just another small capacity ICE powered car. In town their engine stop, regenerative braking, electric assist take off etc really makes a different at a time where ICE are at their worst. Hybrids greatly improve suburban milage for those making mainly local trips.

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  • CRF250RGUY

    Still my brother has a 11 year old suzuki swift, sure its only a 1 litre. But dose 50 to the gallon and is plenty nippy for urban driving. Im sure it wouldn be beaten much in performance by say a prius.

  • NSX86R

    True, but I believe the main problem with that is the diesel here in the US isn’t as clean as the diesel in the UK. But the low sulfur diesel is suppose to come into play soon. Also will diesel fuel will be cost effective? Before the huge drop in gas prices it reach way beyond $4.00 per gallon. So pollution and cost effectiveness are the main issues I see with diesel. I just hope if diesel cars come into play that diesel prices would be more appealing.

  • EnigmaNZ1

    We all know hybrids can be beaten by a small diesel, I think the point is that the US prefer petrol while Europe prefers diesel, so a ecocar designed for the US market is going to be a petrol hybrid, while work is underway on diesel hybrids for the European market. I think Peugeot has a diesel hybrid on the way.

  • c0c0asauce

    yep its all about how you drive

  • CRF250RGUY

    These hybirds do not offer very good mpg!! I believe VW has a diesel fox which can get 70 mpg. My brother has a 11 year old suzuki and he gets 50 mpg and its a petrol.

  • obermuh

    jag and landrover, both sold for $2.3 billion to tata. just check the internet, i.e. autoblog . com

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  • BeniGuma1337

    that Lexus looks like a slightly spiffed up Corrola

  • southamptonbythesea

    What’s with the grill on the white Jag? It looks like a friggin Volvo!

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